Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

Which race out of these or others, do you think is the bast, and why?

Q is all pawerfull.

Q is one evil SoB, but also very powerful. But for now I would stick with the other races that can't control the universe. I picked Romulans because i'm obligated to do so, and I think they have a good chance against other races.

I thought about voting Cardassian, but they were annihilated.  I would have been also obligated to vote Klingon, but my choice for now is the Dominion because I just wanted to add another choice for everyone else to consider.  You could say that I am writing-in another choice.   B) The Jem'hadar do have some very powerful ships including the bug fighter and the massive beast known as the dreadnought.

voted for the species 8472.. cause remember their ships. the lil fregate of them killed a cube with one shot. and they got thousands of them.  

some one voted Romuleans thats funny if a fleet of borg cubs or 8472 bio ships atacked the star empier that whood not be abul to fite tham off. the romulans and the feds are about evin in pawer can controle.

Yeah ewm your post didn't make too much sense...

Well lets face it none of the Alpha quadrant/ beta/ gamma would be a match for what seems to be the much older species within the Delta quadrant. so my bet is on either the borg or species 8472 even in the fleetops timeline, all other species in the alpha/beta/gamma area are still recorvering from the largest war ever

This isn't about whos the most powerful, chinmaya just asks which one you thought was best.

This one's a no-brainer guys 8472 can easily annihilate every species in the galaxy if they want to. The more interesting question (to me) is which race has the most interesting technology (Romulan without a doubt) and most powerful idea for existence (go Federation!) Who among us if given the choice wouldn't choose to serve in Starfleet versus the Klingon or Romulan or whatever fleets?

I say the borg.

Species 8472 are strong indeed but they have developed counter-measures against them and no longer pose a serious threat :)


My second choice would be the dominion, seeing how they nearly destroyed all the mayor alpha races(klingons, feds, romulans), they would have destroyed them if it wasnt for some unfortunate events(the whole armada wanished, cardassian traitory,....)

Then third the feds, then klingons than romulans.

Thats considering the strenght :)
 

romulans are stronger than the klingons rit naw. the have ben declining sin kitomer in strinth and from a lot of wars. i think that the romulans cude esaly over pawer tham naw.

and if you look at the amawnt of space controled by the romulans its huge mached only by the fedaration if that.

Romulans also suffered huge losses during the dominion war, so I think that in strenght they are abou equal :)

But in the war I think klingons would win, sue to their fighting spirit and they have Martok, one of the heroes of the dominion war on their side :)
 

Klingons lost 2/3s of their fleet in Dom war compared to 1/3 of the Romulan fleet, mostly due to suicide runs and not running when the battle was lost. So the Romulans would indeed have the upper hand in a Klingon/Romulan war.

Yep right after the Dom war the Romulans were much more powerful than the klinks. Yes Baron I'm sure Martok would die a glorious death indeed, but it wouldn't change much.

I wouldn't be so certain about that.

And why not donald?

Never underesitmate the klingon urge to fight :D
And if they did indeed loose there would be no klingon left and I doubt romulans would go so far as they would suffer huge looses, ramming bops can be really dangerous for the slow d'deridex kind of vessles ;)


And also Martok is a great commander and he would most probably a real pain in the ass for the romulans :) Also dont forget he has the writers on his side ;) :P

Not necessarily, the Klingons have been on the writers bad side before, as seen in DS9 where they try to take over the station. Then with the Klingons without so many ships, and the Romulans that lost even fewer ships the the Federation, it's fairly easy to see who would win, i'm extremely suprised you don't see that baron. Seems like your just trying to wage a war of words you just can't win...

Now lets check some numbers and see who is trying to wage war of words ;)
Im just gonna post total strenghts of each race, which they currently have.
Romulans: 255,000
Klingons:  661,846
Federation: 1,114,033
Dominion: 2,465,247
Cardassian: 196,711
Borg: 7,773,340,000 ( Holy crap  :omg: )

These numbers were taken from www.ditl.org, so its quite easy to determin who has bigger militarry and who would win ;)
And also about the thing that the klingons lost 2/3 of their fleet and romulans only 1/3, but arent taking into account that the klingons had A LOT more ships than the rommies and that their 1/3 is bigger now than the romulans 2/3 ;). And also they mainly lost bops and K'vorts and ships of that size, and I would rather lost 2 of those ships than 1 d'deridex ;) ::P

In your own words PWNAGE at its best  B)  :P

Oh baron, I don't recall saying the Romulans had more ships now did I? So in fact your last post proves nothing...plus it's from the DITL, infamous for make believe. So indeats of laughing at you and saying I told you so, I'm just going to say, PWNED ;)

Then if those numbers are true, which they of course arn't, most of the ships Romulans have are more powerful or of greater quality then of their Klingon counterparts. Basically with so many larger ships then the Klingons, it would go very badly for them. With their biggest most powerful ship they have in numbers being the Vor'cha, and the biggest ship the Romulans have in numbers some 1 1/2 times as powerful, then the Romulan tradition of sneaking around...I again claim victory...

Those numbers are done considering the strenght and number of each ship an empire has, so if u look at them carefully klingons have 2x more strenght than rommies ;)
And now for the ditl thing, yeah I know its wrong most of the times and when I said that when Cairo 1 posted that specs of norexan class u said they were correct and did not want to hear they are wrong :) :P
I gave u proof for my arguments and so I claim victory, if u wish show me some data that will prove me wrong, until u dont I dont have anything else to discuss here  ^_^


Smile, you've just been PWNED  B)  :lol:  B)











BTW: I dont really give a damn about these 2 races, cause I know the dominion would destroy them both :) :P
I just like arguing with PD :D

I told you the Norexan specs are probably wrong...The Klingons do probably have more ship then the Romulans but not as many as you say, smile, your on PWNAGE TV! I have already claimed victory for myself and the empire, so if you have any real evidence to add, do so, otherwise, get out of my hood :lol:  

u claimed victory for no reason :S that aint fair :'(

Of course they have more ships than the rommies BUT that strenght thing is calculated accoarding to NUMBER and STRENGHT of each ship, so a d'deridex is prolly as powerful as 3 K'vorts......
So it should accurate and this means klingons have 2 times the millitary strenght of the romualn emipre, and now STFU and show me some real evidence ;) :P :P :P



Anyway, you've been PWNED again :D
 

Something you gentlemen may wish to consider is that ships smaller than a vorcha have extremely limited combat radius and must be often resupplied ... a task force of very few D'deridexes could easily blow up their supply ships and leave them stranded and starving a VERY long way from home. Basically take out the vorchas in that sector, take out the food ships, watch the hilarity unfold.

Yes are you understanding baron that since most of the Klingon ships are BoPs, and most of the Romulan ships are of cruiser class and up, that the Klingons would be in serious trouble if there was a Klingon/Romulan war. So how bout YOU shut the f*** up and YOU show me so evidence, because frankly I tire of repeating myself when it's not needed.

And yes STFU means the same thing as Shut The f*** Up, so if I am for some reason yelled at for profanity, blame Baron ;)  

As I said b4 it is stupid to say anything against the romulans as u just cant accept the possibility that klingons could win, u just cant handle it :-S
And also it would be good some other people would tell their opinion not just me and Defiant, as we ran out of ideas lol :D

i think PD is right.. the klingons most used ships are BoPīs n Vorchas. and if u look close at the Romulans they usin D'deridex class ships the most. and we all know that a BoP or Vorcha is not a match for a shipclass like that.

true but rommies dont have any small ships, only the d'deridexes, so its hard to target a small maurable ship like bop or K'vort ;) All in all I think both the rommies and the klingons have an unbalanced fleets rommies only the big stuff and klingons only the little and maybe some middle class ships :S

Dominion would own either of them.
In a war, Klingons would be the offence, romulans would take a nice defence and use their sneak tactics to blow ships up from command. :P

Most probably yes, but they would be pretty evenly matched :)



Your right about the dominion though lol ;) :D

Yes the Klingons could win, but I doubt it. They lack the ability to fight without honor and would just be caught off guard really to Romulan tactics. You talk about how it's harder to target smaller ships but in reality, no it's not, it's the 24th century, I think we got some pretty good computers at our desposal that prevent a ships size from saving it's life.

Then you got all the large ships the Romulans have but then they also have smaller ships such as the shrike and a few others I can't think of their names. Baron, i'm simply showing you that the Romulans wouldn't be as helpless as you so desperatly think, thats the only point i'm really trying to get accross.

Admit that a Romulan/Klingon war could result in a Romulan victory as well as a Klingon victory and we can put this to rest.

I said they are evenly matched, so in other words both could win, eventhough u are leaning more to the romulans and me to the klingons :)

well if the fedaration stays out. with thay probly wont, thay whood help the kingons in the end.

Yup true :)

Of course the precious federation would step in to help a fallin ally. This whole thing was a hypothetical situation tho.

Well if such powers would go to war with each other, the whole quadrant would most probably join not just federation, so it would depend on A LOT of factors :)
In the end prolly noone would win, thy would all loose,......

It would be another Dominion war basically, except without the dominion, romulans continue to be the bad guys, and klingons are the wild card.

I chose Borg, they are quite a force to be reckoned with...

It is ovbiously the feds (they have the all powerful writers on their side)

or in "real" trek i would choose the feds from the 31st century

And in the Beta Quadrant the Federation would have some trouble since the fed borders the Beta Quadrant and there are a few powers that would like to cause trouble also.

Actually the Klingons are in the beta quadrant if I remember correctly, but I think he ment all the major races located around the federation

From what I understand, the Klingons are in the beta quadrant as are the Gorn, the Romulans, and the Tholians.  The Federation is in both alpha and beta quadrants.  The Cardassians, the Tzenkethi, Bajor, and the Breen are in the alpha quadrant, the Dominion obviously in the gamma quadrant, and the Borg obviously in the delta quadrant and possibly in the beta quadrant, too.

Well were all over the place then.

(http://www.ditl.org/gpgm/GMapGalaxy.jpg)

if this is right yaikes.

resistance is futile,... outch *LOL*

hmm that map isn't very accurate, i've seen better ones like this:(http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/galactic-map.jpg)

we never here from the gorn eny more. but in that map the domanon see to controle all most as much as the borg that cant be right.

Why cant it be right??

We actually never found out in a series how much they control so its all just speculation :)

And also there are no powerful races in gamma quadrant so the dominion have no opposition in expanding their space :) While the borg have some powerful empires at their borders  

the Voth whood be biger than the krenim imperium. and whay is the swarm so small.


and the tararians we seem to know nuthing of tham all most thats kins werd thay we know haw much spase thay have. and the Sheliak cut in to awer space deeply and very lital on tham.

and in a nuther stictic some one brote up sed the romulans wher much weeker than the klingons but thay seem to be close on this map.


and if i remiber corealy i cant say what episode it was voy. whare 7 of 9 sed the borg strech over 3 secters.
 

If this map is accurate, the Krenim Imperium would have links to the Dominion.  Therefore, the Dominion MAY have links to the Delta Quadrant.  Thus, we would have the Dominion vs. the Borg. :lol:  

well your map shows the borg basically spread over the whole delta and are almost one step next to teh klingons

ya thats whay i sed yekist if this is rite.

Okay guys, so I see most of you like the Borg.  There's a lot of contraversey here, since Speces 8472 knocked them out once or twice.  If Species 8472 was ahead in their tech before the Borg, then yes, they would beat them

What if the Dominion faced off against Species 8472.  The Jem'hadar would actually be a match for them, and polaron weapons would kill Species 8472 since it is deadly radiation.

Very good point donald. That is true. :)

Huray for the Dominion :D

VICTORY IS LIFE!
VICTORY IS LIFE!!
VICTORY IS LIFE!!!

What hes realy thinking.
(http://forum.fleetops.net/uploads/post-7-1108870998.jpg)

if i shot that fly will it set off the alarm?

A face only a mother could love. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  

but i think its cleern the borg are the stronest in the melky way galicsy.

I think so too but they could get into trouble when the meet a race they cant assimilate again :S

well the fact is we dont know if the borg can asimlate the jim-ha-dar ans i am not sher what thay whood do with a chaling if thay cote one.

its posabul if thay cot a chaling thay cood asinalte it but not in the same whay thay asimalte soled life forms.
for instents thay inject a chaling with anites that dont form to gether in set thay move a rawnd working to gether. this whood let the borg controle the chaling in difrant forms. but what is cleer is the borg will have to adapt when thay rech the domon wich i am sher thay will.
but be for thay rech the doman thay will reech the fedration that will be tuff.

well i think there will be a race that can defeat th eborg eventually. it's just that they aren't discovered my teh feds yet :D

well if you remiber the last epsode of vog fucher jane whay had all that tech that she she clamed was made to fite the borg. if the feds make that kinda tech we will not have a problom.

yeah only that technolygy was decades later and i bet the borg woudl have adapted by then or atleast have some counter measures. and now the borg know of the technology so i bet they will adapt

Well roach I would argue that the Feds have discovered such a race, it's called Species 8472  :lol:  

Well since the Borg got that new nanites they arent a threat anymore :)


 

The Borg are the best, theres no doubt. If they could only find a way to assimilate Species 8472...... :borg:  

Ack cursed Janeway letting the Borg have all the cool stuff. At least we can hope that the Borg will find it a bit harder than that to adapt to transphasic torpedos ... muahahaha. Hey I wonder what would happen to a Jemhadar battleship that's hit with one ...

With the damage caused by it to the cube, it'd blow for sure.

Welcome to the forums, Captain Munro.  About assimilating the Dominion, the Borg would easily assimilate the Jem'hadar.  Sure, the Jem'hadar are drug-enhanced, but by being drones, they only need energy from their alcoves so that their drone bodies would produce regular amounts of Ketracel White.  The Vorta would be just useless drones unless some with telekinetic abilities were added to the Collective.  As for the Founders, it would be just like dealing with Species 8472: useful for assimilation but incapable at present to be assimilated.  8472 and the Founders are the ultimate in perfection for the Borg.

The borg might not assimalate them, concidering the amount of resources required to keep the Jem'Hadar drones alive. It might not be worth it.

maybe the borg would assimilate some soldiers just to get a DNA sample to make other drones more resilient or something, but it seems like those assimilated Jemhadar would still need their narcotics, which would be an unacceptable price for the Borg to pay (completely new infrastructure to produce KW)

I'm sure the Borg could tamper with the Jem'hadars genetic code to where they wouldn't need Ketrecel White anymore.

Prehaps, or the borg might have some substatute (sp?) in supply.

Possibly but one things for sure, if they wanted to assimilate the jem'hadar, they wouldn't have much more trouble then with humans.

I think the borg just haven't gotten the humans 'cause of their lack of improvised planning when something in a battle is wrong. Humans can.

That or writers.

Yeah, well, ST had some very bad writers in its time.

Either completely retarded or genious.

One thing that was totally retarded was how the majority of the races acted in Voyager.  They were more like humans who acted like humans who had head ridges.

well it is hard to create races if there are somany invented in teh ST universe. look at the old ST series, almost all teh alians kirk met where human looking :D

If every race earth met was completely differant, then it would be hell for writers and special effects.

but technolagys geting thare is sllmost thare but not quite thare. when it gets thare you will see humin acters redused and be more 3d non huminde aneons to deel with.

its cheeper to make a non huminode aleon. but iwhood it look real is the quection.

the realy brake thowe for 3d has ben loard of the rings what thay did thare realy shows what is posabul with good desiners and camara pepal.

As the user who posted this topic, I'd just like to say that you are ALL going off topic!!!

Chinmaya :o  

For me it has to be the Klingons.  Even after the peace treaty with the federation they are still warriors, ready to do battle at any cost.

 

But no way they are the strongest :)

hmm well i like the klingons but also the dominion and the cardies for me so evasive in their talks, the rommies for being so secretive, the ferengi for being so funny, the borg for just being plane evil and, actually the federation is teh most boring one. theyhave an aswer for everything and are always right

You know it is funny how we see the borg as evil in terms of intergalactic conquest, Everyone has their own approach the borg just aren't patient, (which would explain the whole adaption thing) but granted their may be more powerful races out there but in terms of a plain and simple war machine it has to go to the borg, no one else like em, Borg aside, my bet would have to be on either the Hirogen or Pre DS9 Jem Hadar (The only reason they got their butts kicked is because of 4-5 of the biggest alpha quadrant races tromping them in their tracks  

yeah in general i would agree the borg are the most powerfull and feared truout the galaxy, but they lack strategy, they lack leadership, they want to take all by overwhelming numbers. but in general i would have to dissagree about the klingon empire being a powerfull force, indeed they are a species designed for war, but there is too many inside conflicts and dissagreements, the klingon empire could only thribe under constant conquest and war, but they neither have the resources or man power to make that a reality.

and about the pool, borg got ther asses kicked by species 8472 remember?

Good point.

But don't forget about the Dominion.

NEVER FORGET ABOUT THE DOMINION :D

dominion is indeed strong, they would kick some major starfleet ass if it weren't for  united federation of planets and allies
 

They still can.

I voted for the Borg, but I have to reconsider. I think Species 8472 is the most powerfull indeed.
In Fleetops battle, my favorite are the Romulans and the Klingons although I think that the Romulans are a little weak.  

Heh, then you don't know how to use the roms.

Their ability to destroy an enemies ship from afar can cause a human player to panic and their best battleship (one that uses credits, I can't remember the name) is a force to be reckoned with.

man look how many times does this get said its just a show  B)

but if you ask the most powerful race in trek is and always will be the federation because it was written now i didnt read the entire thread just first page and sorry guys 8472 dont stand a chance vs feds why remember that little Nanoprobe torp?

borg vs feds nope doesnt work picard still alive never happen

klingongs i love  these guys but feds always better than them except in (yesterdays ent)

Dominion they got beat to a pulp in ds9 they can go to hell

card (not even gonna bother)

romulans what??? they couldnt do sh*t sorry in the final battle of ds9 they lost the their flagship first need  i say more?

only one race beats em Q  but then again they dont count so meh

Federation vs Borg flagship, feds would loose very quick without any special gagets, so the victor of this thread is still in the air.

They lost because of the prophets who did something to their fleet :S And those ships they lost were mainly produced in alpha quadrant so they still got their main fleet in the Gamma quadrant :P
And feds alone stand little chance against them ;)

Aye, any one alpha quadrant power would get 'raped' by the dominion.

Excellent!

no i doubt that after ds9 and feds knew how to fight the dom i doubt they would get raped

Heh, what way is there to fight the dominion besides shooting at them? Lol, it would be total rapage.

oi don't disrespect the dominion. Respect their authority. I mean they are like the great Invder zim, they send out an invader to the plante (a founder), learn everything, send in a swarm of ships and a new planet is theirs.