Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

recently for christmas i got seasons 2,3,4 of babylon 5 for christmas. I was a fan of the show since i saw back in 94'. any ways i think it is a great sci-fi show at least equal to star trek.
THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR FLAMMING B-5 IF IT HAPPENS I WILL BE REALLY PISSED AND WE DON'T WANT THAT NOW DO WE?

not we don't, i don't mind it, don't know much about it (seen that many episodes i can't even tell you any of the characters) but o well.

I am or was a Babylon 5 fan as well, mainly because of the interesting characters, the 5 year plot that was continued throughout the seasons geniusly by JMS and because of the breathtaking tension that was build up concerning huge events (big battles, deciding moments for some of the characters, revelations of plot turning-points and so on).

It was a truly fantastic series.

Concerning the characters:

Sinclair
Sheridan
G'Kar
De'lenn
Vir Koto
Londo Molari
Ivanova
Garibaldi
Kosh

and many many more. :)
 

lol them names mean nothing to me :P

If you knew them, they would mean much to you. Some characters seem more believable and complex to me than any other from a Star Trek series.

All in all, Bab5 was much more serious in many ways than Star Trek.

I loved the idea of the Rangers for example and of that mystical idea of connecting the Minbari to mankind. The minbari stopped an interstellar war because they thought that their souls were reborn in humans.

Ideas like that made Bab5 big. It's simply more "epic" than most of Star Trek. Perhaps one has to like fantasy and mythology more to love Babylon 5.

Ah, and btw:

Happy New Year to all folks in middle europe! :) To Portuguese, Irish and Britains: Happy New Year in about 3 minutes! :D

i absolutely agree Lt.CMDR white. It does have way more depth in some ways than star trek, definetly considering the earth civil war and the shadow war.
the shadows make the dominion, the romulans and the borg look like pansies.

I can only agree, B5 was great. A shame what happen to Crusader  :(

umm, i do not understand it...what is that big space station, and why do the fighters look like X-Wings?

1: THE BIG SPACE STATION WAS CALLED BABYLON 5!
2: I don't but they are not, there are about 8 variants ot Aurora class star fury.
i am on the episode 'Into the Fire' and i cant wait to watch it!

well, if there is a Babylon 5, where is the Babylon's 4, 3, 2, and 1?

I only saw a few episodes years ago but I belive the other Babylon space stations are in other places.

Ok, that's one thing that is so interesting about Babylon 5.

Mankind never gave up the idea of an interstellar space station as a meeting place for all the different races - thus the name "Babylon project".

Babylon 1 - 3 were destroyed (we don't know the reasons for sure, but certainly through something like sabotage or war), Babylon 4 suddenly disappeared (watch all 5 seasons to understand why it disappeared and were it went).

Babylon 5 was the last attempt to make the Babylon project successful...

That's where the series starts.

And the Starfury fighters' design is widely accepted to be one of the best to ever come from sci-fi TV/Movies. The engines are arranged so that rotation around every axis is possible with a minimum of thrust, while the cockpit is in the center of rotation, minimizing the rotational forces on the pilot. Also, the pilot stands in the cockpit, which is much more logical in a zero-G environment than sitting.

Yup, I'm a B5 fan.

And Bab 5 was the first series to show believable space combat maneuvers.

Most other series adapt typical air combat maneuvers, which is nonsense in a vacuum and with zero-g.

Starfuries were shown turning 180° using their thrusters while still going full speed in the original direction. Doing so, they could fire at enemies behind without changing general flight direction. Realistic.

Maneuvers like in Star Wars or Star Trek mostly would need many thrusters working together to get the movement like it is shown. That would be ineffecient.

Also, firing engines all the time is also needless and inefficient, as you don't loose speed in space. You only need your engines for acceleration and deceleration. (Thats why Starfuries have real forward firing engines to decelerate or alternatively can turn around and use their main engines to do so).

The Starfury plastic model by Revell looks just awesome. Compared to my AMT X-Wing, it looks and feels much more massive and compact.

B% is ok, i've seen it sporadically and the story is less deep then in startrek or atleast that is what i find because of the drastic plot changes that i find a bit shallow. but the combat is nice

The minbari are a bit like elves that that kinda put me of but for the rest hmm they are ok, an average series

It's a fact that the B5 plot is not understandable without seeing most of the series.

There are many little story hints from the first season on, which don't seem to be important and sometimes don't seem to make sense.

But in the end, when you get to know the whole story, those tiny bits show you that it wasn't made up later, but planned from the first episode on.  (Which is quite different in Star Trek. Although DS9 tried to do something similar, there were no such crossconnections. The plot clearly developed episode by episode.)

JMS created a general storyline which was supposed to span 5 years. All episodes were written around it (most by JMS himself) and thus everything made sense in the end.

It's if they were filming a already released novel in tiny bits.

Death to babylon 5, lol i'm j/k. I did see a few episodes and thought it was an interesting series. Then it stopped comming on so I started watching things that arn't babylon 5. The rest is history.

umm..i got another question..

What is that yellow wormhole-like thing that made the fighters go WOOOSH really fast?

i personaly dont mind bablon 5  

that is the jump gate, that is how the ships jump between star systems. It works by forming a tear in subspace or what they call 'hyperspace' and ships navigate through hyper space and appear through another jump gate in a star system. They only have conventional thrusters. Mimbari and Vorlon ships can make thier own jumgates.
And Td roach B5 is the kind of series that all episodes are interconnected if you see them sporadicly they will make no sense.
Buy the asian imports of B5 on amazon they are very cheap compared to the american version and have all the same content, are completely in english.
If you like Science fiction at all you will like B5! :D  

but, isn't hyperspace in Star Wars?

They 'borrowed' it.

bob, from what i see, you know nothing about babylon 5, and neither do i, so this will be my only post here.....

right, the only things i know about babylon 5 is what i learned from this thread

Hyperspace in B5 is totaly different and is nothing like it is in star wars.
In hyperspace in B5, there are very many dangers. There are eddies and currents that can throw a ship of course and send realing into hyperspace to never be heard from again.
Scanners only work in very limited length.
Hidden ancient horrors and races of unimagineable power!
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Are you guys all familiar with Starwreck (www.starwreck.com)? The next one coming out will be an ST vs. Babylon 5, looks pretty awesome, except I don't know how they're going to cheat to give the B5 ships a snowballs chance in hades of even scratching ships with tritanium hulls and terawatt-class shields. But whatever : )

I've seen some of B5 in the past.  It's just too bad that they don't have artificial gravity on such a large basis.

I've seen some of B5 in the past.  It's just too bad that they don't have artificial gravity on such a large basis.

I have always admired B5 for their hard work to stick toward Sc-fi Realism (oh and don't star a thread that says B5 vs. Star Trek on their home page, like the B5 homepage, anyway I was like the only star trek fan their and tried to get help on the star trek.com chat they don't help anyway...) Yes I really loved the idea of the white stars, and their concepts on gravity were genius and made more sence than some ST tech (although I promise I shall never diss my own religion :lol: )

The white stars are the purple destroyers right?

yeah the rommie designed looking things

not quiet destroyers, in season 3 the whitestar was the most advanced star ship that was known to exsist. it was1/2 biological and 1/2 technological.

Well, the Vorlon ships were more advanced... the organic parts of the Whitestar were based on Vorlon biotechnology, they could not have developed them without Vorlon help, if I remember right. Most Vorlon ships were 100% organic with self-healing capabilities.

i just thought they happened to look nice ^_^  

i love the excaliber

Wish it was a real ship...

I just think that they did a good job with their designs which are quite nice

Anybody else like the Omega class cruisers? Sure, they're low-tech, but I like to think they are what real space warships would look like. And they don't have the magical artificial gravitation found on the Whitestar and all the Minbari ships.

I am with you there, the designs for the earth forces is interesting and seems to be the kind of warship (we are the us we will have a space warship even if there is no need :lol: ) that we will have in the future ;)  

I totally agree. I think I can say with some certainty that artificial grav is NEVER gonna exist, large ships will need rotating crew compartments.