Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

Salaam!

So I'm now going to be the Idiot who starts this thread; So Bush is now the new old President of the USA; According to my favourite newspaper(derStandard.at-> a liberal left-sided Newspaper) the world is practically screwed and most Americans are hardcore-old-fashioned non-liberial catholics; and now i'm interested in the your opinion(s). What do you think about him; Is he an Idiot and what about the American people and their way of life. If the response is ..hmm... "enough" I try and explain the "european point of view" and all that stuff
So have fun with it;

my quechon is european point of view on the most part the same as the americna dimacratas vowe?


by the what welcom to the foram.

I think that Bush is not very smart man. But he is not alone in all his job. He has very smart advisers in military, economy questions, political etc etc.  So all his bad decisions are not his own fault. But Bush alone is not very smart man (and he has proven this in lot of his solo-speaches).

Oh no not this, I spent 3 hours havin a dibate with a guy in work about this. I think its a massive mistake that the American people voted him back in, look at how much damage hes caused and how because of his actions, thousands of innocent people have lost there lives. He lied to go to war, hes making profit out of the war and he knew he wasnt getting elected out of the White House because no President has been voted out while in the middle of a war... Is he dumb? without a doubt, but his administration is clever and devious...

(e.g. His Administration got Tony Blair to send in more British Troops to the front lines to stop American Troops being killed so he looked better in the eyes of the American people during the election)

Its just a shame John Kerry didnt get the chance to fix Bushes mistakes, I just cant wait to see how be messes up the next 4 years

I apologise if this offends anyone, but thats just how I and alot of people in the UK see it.  :rolleyes:  

I think it is good they voted for him, he can now clean up his own mess, if kerry would've been selected he would have te clean it up making him look bad,

however, bush is an idiot who cares for nothing but his own people, clinton was a healthy normal man, he even visited the netherlands a couple of times, dont see bush doing that!

ps i heard that bush was a drunk until a couple of years ago and kerry has been in vietnam....i guess i'm gonna go for citizenship in the US, then drink alot and when i'm 40 i'll run for president!

VOTE PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!

well...

ya got my vote!  :lol:

Croesus: is it a mod? and as for bush i am haooy with the currant situation

a bush quote
"And I promise food on every family"

 :lol:  

deteeted  - it meens wont ever i had put up here i removed for some reson.


i agree i think he means deleted tow.

deteeded? what does that mean?

I think he means deleted

ya that crasy ideat shood chage it what a domn ass.

am i the dumass?
am i the idiot?

that ewm giy he rote deteeded? gees

ummm....aint that you????

umm well hmmmm uhaaa i no i look like him well ewm is a dimacrat so he cant be all bad.

yeah, sound like a great person.

I live in rural maine and there is to many bush fans up here who like bush and they don't know why. And the people who did want bush again said it was because of 'morals' BULLsh*t!!!! okay it's all right to declare war on a country, send innocent men adn women to die and fight for no reason but not okay to have an abortion when the mother has cancer and the only way for her to survive is to hav kemotherapy but that would harm the unborn, non-conscious, barley living fetus and the mother has to suffer a horrible death at the hands of cancer, tell me the morality in this.

no, voting bush back in was the worst mistake the american people have made in a while and little do they know the evil they have unleashed upon us all. When my friends say it's great bush is back in, i say when the draft is reinstated you wont be.

can you post this in the Political Thred Part 2 in small tolk. its is the ative polical thed rite naw.

bush, with him in office, we are safe. because if you piss bush off, you'll either be 1)staring at hundreds of ICBM's raining down on your nation
2)watching as your people are slaughtered by our military on a "police action"

Come on guys, a draft would be awesome! Aren't you ever sitting around at home, bored out of your mind, wishing there was something cool to do? Think about it: travel to exotic places, shoot really big guns, and have the satisfaction of sending terrorists/insurgents/brutal murdering thugs straight to Allah's hell. And the government is always hiring! So much for unemployment!

thats the last thing i need. get traked in a contrack whare i have to spind the net 40y or so in the milatry no thanks.
and my idea of relaksing is not geting my hed shot off in a war we shood not evin be in.

JONE THE ARMY ONE OF THE MOST HATED FORE ON THE EARTH RITE NAW

i have to agree with ewm90 a draft is a violation of our so called freedom, in this country we are supposed to be free, if we are forced to go into teh military to kill other people, wether it be a good and just cause or not is by my definition a violation of my freedom. I wish no harm against other people and what about people with medical conditions who cannot serve, what of them?

the draft ended after the budy haribal vehitnom war. it ened for a good reson. we dont need alot of troops eny more with all the new technolgey.
unless we diside to invade a contry for no good reson thad the rest of the warld duss not help.

but a volinter army werks. thare is all was a niev peron rety to jone.

i support bush because he said he would not re-instate the draft. i signed an online petition to abolish the draft.

nether whood kary. thares a biger chace of bush puting a draft in place than kary puting on in place.

 

Both sides said they wouldn't so get over it.

the fact that you believed them saddens me...

The fact that you are so hung over conspiracys of the president actually being able to do something after saying he wouldn't with no intervention of the congress or supreme court scares me.

well... cause he did things like that. the UN said "stop it, dont attack the iraq", 24 hours later he sent out troops.
and i think its possible that he could changes his mind like he would say "we wont send troops to africa" and a video of bin laden or the alquaida hits the tv... i think you know what i am trying to say with this. cause there is no hate in my words or on my mind at all, while i thought about this.

//Edit: anyway, this thread is like groupies talking about who their idol is "mine is better/no mine".

we whood not be if thare was not reson to be. looking at this prees kariter it realt says to me nothing is inposabul with him.

he has shon over and over that he duss not kare about amaricans that are not rich. it whood not supprise me if he evin thot we wher dumb.

so it not a big step for me to see the pree saying those dumb pepal can be fored to jone the milatry and be told its good.

without the conflict in middleeast, he wouldnt be the president anymore. and thats a fact, i think, we all can agree.

I don't. I think a big reason he was voted on was religious and moral reasons. He's a Christian against things like abortion and gay marriage which Christians are against. Oddly, Kerry is a Catholic and he's not against any of those. I think thats a big reason why he lost, he was trying to play every side he could and didn't stand by his values.

I saw in a vote right before the election few people even cared about the war, and any new developments in it wouldn't change their mind about who they would vote for.

the resom my bush won in my iese are:

1. free of tarisam and arock ware 30%
2. distoshons and hipe 20%
3. relinon 10%
4. no gay marige, morle belifes, abortion 20%
5. other 20% econamy, thingin he a good presadent/grate preadent.

pepal voting for kary:

1. 40% so bush duss not win.
2. 25% think he a good presadent and coo help amrica recover the det and help the helth care syitom bild back op help re stabal lise forin relashons... and on and on
3. 5% he is a Grate presadent
4. 15% be cuss he is a dimacrat.
5. 15% his milatry recerd and thing he is beter with sucraty.
6. 5% distoshons and hipe.

this is a basic barack dawn its more complicated and miny more ishowe but maby this will help.

my nubers mite be abit odff but thates a crowed back dawn of the voters.

Most of that makes sense, some kerry stuff dosen't. "3. 5% he is a Grate presadent" lol, 1 he wasen't president and 2 why is he great? Another was his military record, how would that make him better with security?
 

thes nubers are not facts. thay are specluation

and this is haw i see most pepal feeling about bush and karry.


if he has a milatary recerd he whood know haw the milatry works and what it can and cant do. and how it thinks. and he has served in it and has bin sint in to combate sho he has ferst hand exspresn of what a solger can be exspekted to do in combat.

Simply stateing some of it dosen't make sense.

it makes sins to me what do you think pepal feel about the formaer canidates for presadent?

Well the voting was nearly half for each candidate, so how can you put 5% of people voted for Kerry because they think he is a great president and not Bush?

i cant beev that eny time thare is a cadate thater all was are core suporters that bellev he is a nuther JFK. and it was not 1% or he whood not have ben nomanated as the dimacratic canidate.


the order thare listed in duss not meen eny thing 1.-6.

JFK? who is that? is that the person who made the harry potter books?

jon F kinady a very famis amrican presadent how got shot and kiled wile as preadent.

then how did he make the harry potter books if he is dead?

i am not sher but is was not a former american presadent that had haff his hed shot off.

I'm not sure where you guys are getting the impression that the US military is full of dumb people. Sure some rear-area supply types are beating up criminals and terrorists in Abu Ghraib or whatever, but the guys who are doing the shooting in the Combat Arms units are typically pretty smart, or else they'd be dead by now.

I encourage all of you to go and read some eye-witness accounts and letters to home from these guys, and see how long you think you'd last in-country. Blackfive (http://www.blackfive.net) is a good starting place

If their so dumb then how could we have taken over a country so quick, an almost record only beaten by the Germans and their blitzkrieg. That country, the Netherlands I believe, is small tho.

Exactly right Praetor. It even took the Germans 44 days to capture a weak, dispirited, and frantically surrendering country half the size of Iraq (France). The biggest difference between the performance of US forces and other famous quick strike militaries like the Soviets of WW 2 or even the Nazis is the individualism and personal initiative of our junior officers. As Victor Davis Hanson writes in many of his books, free democratic societies consistently produce the most effective, fast moving, and viciously unconquerable armies and navies the world has ever seen.

And it is certainly beyond dispute that the US is the most free society both economically and politically in the world, so it's only logical that our military contains some rather brilliant sergeants and LTs that aren't afraid to put it on the line, take risks, and destroy the enemy.

well i gan finad pepal thay feel the same whay as me eny day. but that says nuthing about the troth. i have one cusin in irack how is pro bush war. and than i have a frind how is anti bush wor hows in irack.


and what duss this polital discotion all wase come back to WW2? it seems like some pepal relay like it.

if you wont WW2 tern on the histry chanal. i am wored about irack rit naw.

the reson we took flusha so fast is be cuss thare was not as miny insergin thare to fite. so that make you think whare are thay?
thes insernts are smart egicated pepal thare not gona sit arownd and what for a tank to cush tham.
thay will continu to do what thay have ben doing blind in get evin more suporter. ake more and more enanys to fite.

this war we are fiting we are still not a quiped or trand in how to fite tham. thay will keep one uping us untill some thing mager chages.

and its about time colin pall left the bush goverment no one lisaned to him eny what what ever he duss next hopefully he can feel usfulle.

1200+ in six days has to be some kind of terrorist killing world record

and i am sher homass and alkada have gontin 2400+ recroot from it
 aspeshaly the news clips of mosks being shot and and in. in and one clip unarmed insergent can barly move and geting his hed blown to peaces with a us aslot ritfal 3 feet awhay from his hed. in a mosk.


vilents to stop vilents. only make more vilents.

and if you wher referint to iracky insergnts as tarists thay do to tairom but thay are not tarists so much as insergents.

alkinda and homas are tarists.

flowgo.com: no where to run, bin laden (http://refer.flowgo.com/refer/redir_ng.cfm?p=152628&d=11-16-04&id=dogaiscpeSqzluDncz)


it is hilarious

i have herd that mp3 be for its funny. i have a few of funny mp3s like that.

but its intresting some one terned it in to a flash movie.

thare are smart pepal in the milatry. thare just made to look dumn be cuss of milatry polasy.

like project star wars bush suopts it i dont know whay.

but project star ware was put on the drowing tabul but cuss the milatry needs to spind thare munny at the end of the yare all of it. just like a non us proit thay cant show profit. so thay have a lot to spind at the end of the year so thay put it torde new resherch project star wars was on the think.

and if a offiser wont to get promted fast in sertin areas if thay come up with some thing new evin if its folty and hardly works thay can get proted.

bad ideas in the milatry off the top of my hed:

the asperay the helicopter / plane
project star wars missal defins
and naw we are working on bunker busting nookuler misal.


and the milatrey is run by one man the preadent. and if the pree teel the milatry to do some thing dumn it mite not be thare folts. flowe the chane of comand up.

the "Star Wars" project was cancelled

no thar wars project is still on bush suports it and is poring munny in to it.

No I think it was cancelled awhile ago.

the last i herd thay wher depoling it in alska and califrna.

thay had at lest one oprashanal and than thay just cansal it that a hug a hug wAST of muny

Everything Bush does to you is a huge waste of money.

not all but alot of what bush duss i think cood ether be dun difrantly or beter or more of.

ummm, the "Star Wars" project was cancellled during the cold war. and you can not deploy it in alaska and california. it was an ORBITAL sattalite-mounted anti-missile defense system. but it cost too much and it would have invited other nations to attack us. so it was cancelled

sorry for the double post

      Saddam...Face the U S A(sung to YMCA)

saddam, troops are coming to town
i said saddam, hide yourself undergound
i said saddam, cause we're bombing your town

you are soon to be un happy

saddam, theres no place you can go
i said saddam, you cant hide in your hole
you cant stay there
be sure we will find many

we apons you've try to hide

it time to pay and face  THE U S A
it time to pay and face  THE U S A

we have faith in all
the men we deploy
here they come to search and desrtoy

saddam, are you listenin to me
i said saddam, soon you'll be history
i said saddam, we'll end your tyranny

but you've got to know this one thing

it time to pay and face  THE U S A
it time to pay and face  THE U S A

take you dead or alive
no more weapons to hide
your regime, won't survive

Saddam

Thats nice bob...

Uh Lies, is it not possible that a democrat could be making the same or just as many so called 'mistakes' in your eyes as our current president is doing? Is it also possible that maybe the president is working his hardest on the current economic and foreign issues and that maybe SOME of it isn't his fault? Is it possible that maybe he can't control every little thing in the world and this country so it can't be made better at the snap of a hand?

dimacrat are polatitions like repulicans so thay need to be checked.

but unlike repulicand. thay dont have a dick chany whats his name sips my mind, magority leeder. of eny uther of thos monsters.

the repulic party is not what it is supost to be. mican finegold is a real repulican the thers take ad vatige of the repulican sytom.
exsampl: the repulicans are sposted to be the party of goo finash pratises. thats not what thay are to day. the ruplican partiy has gon of the path in to the woods.



all i have to say is.
Micane finbgold 2008!!!!

I think the democratic party has lost all of their morals in the pursuit of the presidency. To be a catholic and be pro life on all the ideals catholics are against is sick. Convert if your gonna do that, you give religion a bad name.

its lot that we lost tham thare jus difrant than what the tipacl repulican calls moral.

repuicals a lot of repilicans look at morals as helping your naber. and priying to god and upholding the bibal. all so see moreals as some one dawn to earth and frindly.

i think of marls as doing the rite thing and caring about those less fochent and going far out of my what to help tham if posabul.for a dimacrat you dont have to be frindly to have morals.

and for a dimacrate moreal are not as inportent as some one how can get progress going.




if you look at bush as a moral man. alot of what he duss i whood not only call inmoral i whood call greedy.

"if you look at bush as a moral man. alot of what he duss i whood not only call inmoral i whood call greedy". Thats because your a democrat Lies. To you Bush isn't more wrong and to me he can't be more right.

You named off basically everything the republicans do to help and everything the democrats don't ever seem to do.

You named off basically everything the republicans do to help and everything the democrats don't ever seem to do.

the reson is the Repulicans controle evry thing and wont let the dicacrast do eny thing.


like i sed be for all most evry thing i posted my wer and are astbilshed fackts. thay are not opinan or speculation thay are fact dont beleev me look tham up.


i have a welth of info mation about polatics wher i live. i live in washingtion dc and some of my frinds are politacl magers. i know whats going dawn i can weed thow the lies to find the facts. i take nuting for granted and nether shood you.

Then how can you be so wrong if your surrounded by politics?! You thought a program ended a decade ago still existed...

I mean come on, actually throw something at me.

i just teck with my dad its till in operastion

thay probly dont wont to tolk about it mush be cuss is duss not work.

I think it was ended by Bush senior because of the reduction of ICBMs.

nope its still going. just looked it up.


look kere dated last moth:
http://www.gracelinks.org/nuke/starwars/archives-2004.php (http://www.gracelinks.org/nuke/starwars/archives-2004.php)

I just looked it up and I think your right actually. I was just assuming because other people said it was dismantled that it had been. My mistake.

i know my facts.

Well thats 1 out of quite a few that your not right on. But i'm man enough to admit when i'm wrong.

prove me rong on the rest.

I have lies, I have...

no you jest sed i was rong give me some facts of news clips that prove me rong.

I do prove you wrong on pretty much everything...

haw no facts no real evadens just proaganda.

Uh yeah thats bull...

well you call all the hard FACTS i layed out lies.

and you have not sed eny hing new to be i have not herd bush say him self


sary for my kerk ness bob just back stabed me and i realy tiers i have a staer day morbibg erly class. awch

So basically you are calling me AND bush a lier in everything we say, is that correct?

i am caling bush a lier.

and you are jusyt miss infored

Well i'm calling you a lier because you ARE misinformed.

if i am mis infored that duss not make me a lier that makes me misinfored.

a lier is some one how knows the troth and tells some thing elss.

maby if i ajust for inflashon back in WW2 pepal had that big a det. but realy
all this det came from the hunt for one man osama ben laden.

$6,000,000,000,000 and going up

But you DO lie because you know your lieing.

While I have no intention of getting in the middle of this 2-way debate/arguement (which will probably end up with this thread being closed/deleted by the way) I do have a quarm with something you have said Preator.

Calling Kerry sick for his view on the abortion topic while being a catholic is completely uncalled for, not to mention a grossly inaccurate interperation of Catholisism.

That's akin to saying "you cant be gay and be catholic" or "you cant be a femal muslim and not cover you face in public". These are all things that have been added by certain individuals/societies to the religion in order to make it more acceptable for them. They have nothing what-so-ever to do with religion itself, and unfortunately the US is one of those countries who have distorted Catholisism so much that its barely got anything to do with the religion that was started those 2000 years ago.

Societies in general tend to distort religions in their own way, and it is up to individuals to speak up against what they believe is wrong. Religion is basically its set of core beliefs (eg there is a god, jesus did exist etc) and the rest is padding that is supposed to evolve over time to make religion relevent to the current world.

I personally think catholisism is completly outdated, and i have no problem whatsoever in speaking out against various parts of religion that I believe are morally wrong or just not apprpriate for the modern world (ie. Im very angry that the Vatican is trying to sell the idea that condoms dont stop STIs). I applaud Jon Kerry for openly saying that he his catholic and in favour of stem cell research. Its is only with high profile admissions like this that will cause religion to evolve and gain favour with those that are not religious because of these kind of non-fundamental views.

i agree.

And no nova i'm not about to read all that for an answer thats probably presbyterian. Yeah, insulting my religion thats real nice. I stand by what I said, because it IS true. To insult my religion to ATTEMPT to get your point accross is a waste of your type and a waste of bad feeling on both sides. I demand an apology for insulting a religion you obviously do not understand.

And of course you agree ewm, but i'm defiant so no hard feeling. And just since you hit below the belt, I have to mention that 2 vs 1 I won against you a bobits.

Have a nice day novaprick...

its not ment as a insolt but merly his opinan about the religon. i am a catholic to and iagree mosty.

His opinion can also be an insult. The only reason you agree to it is because it's against me. I mean don't worry that dosen't suprise me in the least, I just don't see why you have to bring religion into this.

And actually I don't know why anyones for abortion. A life is a life at the moment of contraception, you may disagree but it's what I believe. You brought politics to the forum and now religion, keep on goin and see if theres something we missed that has nothing to do with games. Maybe cars, I like Fords and hate imports. Objection anyone???

i am nout out to prove eny one rong. or to insolt eny one i what i wont pepal to know is the truth that was hidan from the amrerican puplic.

What truth? That Bush is sending this country to hell? I mean god how could someone be so wrong in your eyes? Did he come to your house and steal your TV? I love history, I know quite a bit. I can compare Bush to many other presidents and also say he's doing a good job. He's made decisions no one else has wanted to make just like Truman. Sent aid to Iraq just like your beloved Clinton did for Somalia, but Bush actually stayed...Give it up man...

be cuss clinen know that you do more good with a nice action than a bad one.


exsmpal:

if some one you dont know sed pick up what i droped naw you whood think him a lital werd and wolk awhay

but if some one sed can you help me pick up what i droped you mite help.

so if you fite the insergents thay will fite back.

if you tolk to the insergents and offer tham things thay mite stop.


what more inported being a hard ass? or geting dun what need to be dun.

Basically what Clinton did was let more people suffer and die, when america pulled out everyone else did, all the other countries giving aid.

Insurgents? lol offer them what, a free car? They want us dead, the trick is to kill/capture them first, which is what we are doing. Haha dude thats great.

what clinten did was care more about africaa wher the real prolom was than and still is it wood be so easy for the use to sind solgers in and stop the gen-a-weed thay are wers than 5 sodam husanes.

clintan all so sint a lot of food ad saving milans of pepal from stavation.
and stoping ehnic clising in serbae and kosavo.

he hade a grate sitom for looking for north kroea bilding nook.

america had a serpulss of muny he made he did a grate job.

Well you didn't really answer anything that time...

Again about the deficit, WE WENT TO WAR, IT HAPPENS. We have a 2 trillion dollar one after vietnam I think.

well geting back to arock.

well a free car mite not work but ofing tham a job that pais. offring a plase in the goverment. and tolking with tham abou and exsit plane on what wee whood need from tham to do it.

we can all so offer tham that thay will not face charges for what thay have dun. and give tham a fack apolagy for what ever thay wont us to apolagise about with in reson.

LOL, do you know what jihad is? It's a holy war. Do you even know why their fighting? They hate us because we are primarily christians, because of our domination of the culture of the world through movies and products, because we have women fighting in our military, because there are americans on arabic soil...the list goes on.

You can't just let them go somewhere else, they want to kill us and their willing to give their life to that cause.

yes i do. and why do you think is a gehod?

be cuss we did it the kintin whay or becuss we did it the bush whay?


and more of the same wont help ether we need to do some thing difrant. wich is why i say lets sit dawn at the tabul agin and be willing to make realchages in the intrest of peace and pepal lives.

Why is it jihad? BIN LADEN DECLARED JIHAD ON US A LONG TIME BACK.

Yeah lets all talk this over, that will work... HELLO? They won't stop, I can't believe your still talking like that. These people have a mind set that we are the devil on earth, a giant american satan if you will. They will do everything in their power to stop us in what they call global domination.

i was tolking about the iraqys.not the tarists.

the tarists we have to kill no uther whay.

 

I don't think the Iraqis hate us, although a few do for us kinda taking there cushy jobs in saddams regime...

iraq and your so called terrorists are 2 different sides of the same "quarter"... the thing is, you (or bush as your president) are callin everyone who dont want to invade every country to get all of these "terrorists" that they would be potential allies of them... try to get the point man... i know the ppl in the states must be mad after all the things happened... _but_ you cant dominate the whole world like a hitler and change everything like you want the world to.. that is IMPOSSIBLE and you will meet rebels or your terrorists at every f'ckin corner even in your own country... the summary of all the bullsh*t (or bush-sh*t, how i would call it) is, that these things will happen in the future as well as it happened 9/11... cause security is just an illusion, you cant be safe 100%... and tryin to realize that illusion is insane and impossible... so pls think about it.. all you can do or should do, is cleaning up your own country and stop tryin to act like the cop of the world.

and one last word to all the american ppl: stop beein so ignorant and arrogant.. its annoyin that you cant see a tree even if your standin infront of a wood... -_-

not the words i whood chose. but i agree.


PREATOR DEFIANT: I don't think the Iraqis hate us, although a few do for us kinda taking there cushy jobs in saddams regime...

you right thay all dont hate uss but thay dont like us or tust us.

triy to think of it this whay lets say iraq is as stong as the usa. and The USA is week. one day iraq disides to invade and over thoe the us dictater how whood baskily be sodam. you had a good life not the best but you cood be happy.

after iraq got in controle 2 of your finds werkind by the iraqs by asadent.
and you dont have work food is scares and you feer for your life. haff your home is in rubal.

haw whood you feel about the iraqs than? thay say thay have a beter govement but ever sins that arived life has tered to sh*t.

just aser "B. I whood stille trust the iraqys" or "A. i am scard and wont tham to leev" pleace if you can reed this. be for coming up with a rebutal.

Yeah KLOK and your an idiot. If you truely think that what you said is true then I hope you are casterated for not spawning any more of you, now on to someone whos more civil. Just call me ADOLF DEFIANT, thats god to you.

Oh i'm sure if that happened to me then I would be in the exact same position and mindset as they are. Thing ARE better now tho, I just hope they know were trying to make their country safe for democracy.  

not only does Iraq hate us,
but practically 80% of the world hates us

So true, sadly.

the fact that you dont have work. you live in feer of ding kiled by mustake or be cuss you wher to findly to the iraqys or thay at lets to of your finds wer shot in and kiled by an iraqy whood not make you feel uneasy to say the lest it whood most.

We talkin about 80% of world, not just the 20 mil in Iraq. There are a ton of reasons i'm sure, some prolly not our fault, but some are.

i sher thare are some that are not ower folt most probloms in iraq are awer folt or be cuss we are of some thing we did.

lol most of the problems in Iraq are saddams fault.

not rite naw most are be cuss we are auping the cuntry.

Well lets think here, they have less to worry about security wise then with saddam. Except for bombings I guess. They have electricity now, getting money from oil, many countries have invested in Iraqi companies and so on...Saddam definately made more problems, can you say gas attack on the kurds?

thay have alot more to deel with. the cuntrys is a faling apart!!

I guess fallujah is, but the rest of the country is relitively fine.

not realy pepal dont havw work. evry body thare is prity much shell shocked and living in feer and dis trust. thay most pepal have lost at lest one famaly miber and are living in feer of being kild if thay get to findly with the americans.

Like 10,000 people died in the war on their side and all but 2,000 of them (and i'm just guessing so this is probably alot lower) were civilians. Now if the country has 20 million people, I think your estimates of each family losing someone to us is a gross exaggeration.

I see pictures on the news everyday of people sitting outside restaurants enjoying meals and watching TV and everyone seems cheerful like normal, I think you've been watching al jazeera again.

well this is the tuth 98% about have lost at lest one famy miber in the war.

Not possible my friend.

aby you are rite but it is thow to those how live in the sittyd whare the fiting haw bein going on the capital flusha and a nuber of uther plays. so pepal have a hared time deeling with this. what thay see is thare cuttry has ben takin over by a nuther pawer and some one thay loved was shot by tham. and evry day thay are secrety told not to get to frindly with tham or you will be kiled and you famalys will be kiled.

I'm sure a few are...

more thay a few at the lest 50% or more.

LOL, yeah right dude, you know how hard it would be to intimidate 10 million people? I'm thinking maybe 100k have been physically told not to help the americans, if that.

i rebiber hering on a redeo show by a local universaty cald the cogo nomdy show wich tolks to former miberds of the goverment about haw the u is ging rite naw. and one gest thay had was a DR. tring to sind mintal helth workers to iraq and this DR sed that the whay of thinking is so much difrant over thare what we coniter unbarabul is normal over thare mitaly. most pepal over thare are sufrinf from masive depreson and war realted mital iless. that thay think is noram over thare. thay see a man get blown to bits and thay will contuwe with thare day with out stoping to think haw taribal it is thay are so use to it.

don;t ya think that bush would have gotten it through his thick skull by now that the iraqis don't want us there.they will never stop using suicide bombers untill they have blown up all of their own people(I.E. untill all the iraqis have blown themselves up)
the only way to make sure that the iraqis do not kill themselves is to pull out of iraq and apologize to the world

God shut up bob and stop being a wuss. If you can't contribute anything realistic then don't post at all.

why? he´s right at that point i think... all you do at the moment in that country is fighting against the ppl you wanna safe and give your so called security... so stop it.. you cant say "shut up" to everybody who dont share your opinion on things...

i agree with KL0K and PREATOR DEFIANT this thred is about bush not uther person. pleace post abou bush only here.

bush or kerry, which cantidate would have caused the most damage to the USA when they run it into the ground?

Well KLOK i'd rather fight the terrorists on their own turf then have to fight them in this country. Of course you can't seem to get that thru your head...Don't think for a second that Iraq didn't have terrorists in it either, you had the classic guys who blow up buses full of children then you got the big ones killing their own people.

everywhere has terrorists, just depends how strict you are.
like consodering a person that burnt a flag a terrorist(notice i said BURNT[past tense]), then everywhere has terrorism

Well I ment people who kill other people, innocent or not, to get their point accross.

iraq had not tarist in it asbished fact.

then other countries could call the US terrorists too..

well if thats trow why did we not sind the trops to africa to stop the geng-a-weed how are 5x wers than.

sodam husane.


no one is calling the the us tarist espet the tarist.
we are not tarist maby misled but not tarists.

Technically you can call anyone a terrorist. Hell, we can call people from whatever nations KLOKs from terrorists.

Bout the terrorists in Iraq thing well, there are. There are actually terrorists in ever nation in the world. Thats proven.

but the sad part thare wert eny trist in iraq be for the war. naw thares a hole army that duss tarisam that hates us.

WE ARE VERY MUCH LESS SAFE AFTER ATCKING IRAQ.

i disagree, nsince bush went into iraq, that showed other nation that if you mess with america while bush is in charge, we will shoot the f*** outta you and say we are engaging in a police action to catch terrorists

No we are very much more safe, bob actually contributed something positive to the discussion.

i dont think so...  bush declared a war and he got his war... watch the news
...and i think that was just a beginning of a long tragody... -_-

You may think so, but the idea of the entire world declaring war on the worlds sole super power is an interesting one. Don't worry KLOK, I think were fairly safe.

well lets see we made 100x more tarists than we kiled in iraq.

uthers cuntrys dont trust us and less likey to ofer as much help than be for iraq.

sins we only see to kare about iraq the rest of the world hase not ben wached. the hu-krane just had thare elacon fixed by rusha thats tring to rebiled the USSR.

cuntrys like north korea have naw uped thare dager leval.

we have made osama ben ladan a biger slebry than he was be for and helped suport his idea that american is not atacking trisam. but atacking musaloms all over the midal east as a nuther crosade.

and thats the point
 

Uh as i've said many times, pretty much the entire arabic region hates us, Iraq didn't do much of that at all.

The countries that don't trust us now didn't before...

I don't recall hearing about that...

NK is about the same level it's been for awhile.

Again they already thought we began a crusade against muslims back in the persian gulf war, that hasen't changed. I think bin ladens fame has gone down, hes like Polly Shore, a hasbin, and a hunted one at that.

And KLOK, don't start spamming like bob.

i dont wanna write bullshyt, all i said was, that i can totally agree with ewm´s posting. so i dont know where you see your spam.
and btw, that you dont recall something doesnt mean that it doesnt exist. :P

I got Fox news on now, they are talking about elections in the Ukraine, but the Ukraine is no Russia. Me simply saying I don't recall hearing about it usually means it didn't happen.

You contributed nothing to the discussion when you posted KLOK, thats what I consider spam.

Well pepal are tolking about Rusha rebilding the USSR be cuss that whood make tham mad at us.

but if you look at it: putin a lital wile ago disied to add a low that says if he duss not wont to setp dawn he duss not have to.
he is all so starting to take back cuntrys that brock from tham after the claps of the ussr chenea being one. and he is suporting preadents that are more findly to him.
hes showing more and more mushal to her and thare. with shows of milatery mite like what hapind in gorga.



and north korea is a hug problom if thay dont get thare way thay wil sell a nook that can or will be used in the USA or a ailed contry. thay are not scared thay we will retaleate ether thay have thare inserins poalisy cald sole sawth korea.

and as for osama ben laden.
his al-kida is not as ded as i thot it was i have gonten now infor mation on that in sted of wiping tham out thay did ashaly moovein in to paksitand and than idea and the rest of the warld.
thay are still much alive and very pawer full still unfochintly.

congress has to pass a bill that the pres signs to declare war.
congress did not pass such a bill, so bush said it was a "police action"

Lies what are you talking about? If another cold war started, it would actually help this country. Our production of arms and technology rose during the cold war and made us the technological superpower we are today, think if we had kept that up another 20 years.

look at the news. its not an opinen its hapaning.
north korea

www.washingtonpost.com:
SEOUL, Nov 6 -- South Korean President Roh Moo Hyun telephoned President Bush to propose that solving the nuclear crisis involving North Korea be a priority for Bush's second term in office.

Bush agreed on the need to push forward with stalled six-party talks on ending North Korea's nuclear weapons programs, the Blue House, South Korea's executive quarters, said in a statement.
 
"President Roh proposed making the North's nuclear problem a joint project to solve with close cooperation and to lay the groundwork for peace on the Korean Peninsula and in the world," it said.

"The two leaders agreed to strengthen efforts to hold the six-way talks as soon as possible," the statement added.

China, the United States, North and South Korea, Japan and Russia agreed in June to hold a fourth round of six-way talks in September involving senior diplomats to try to end the North's nuclear programs.

The discussions never took place, with Pyongyang appearing to stall while it waited for the outcome of the U.S. presidential election.
the story on the washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31049-2004Nov6.html)

@Praetor Defiant: A very harsh statement; "another cold war would help this country" hmm...sure, even the cold war was sometimes hot-> Vietname, Korea; <sarcasm mode>But hey this is cool, because it saves the country from overpopulation; Just send young men and women into some war on the other side of the country;</sarcasm mode>  

war is never good.

war is a last resorte. if thares a nuther whay we shood take it.
humin life is not some thing to be takin litely.

Note if we haw to sind troops. cant sind trops the help the ucreans be cuss ower troops are tiyed up in iraq.


the last cold war:
lot and lots of pepal died dring the last cold war. and thare was sevarl timew wen we thot armigadan was gona hapin.

exsampal: thare was a instens of rusha saying prity much thay are starting nookler war. and a nuther mesage that sed we wont peace.
thank god we had a preadent that was not some one that was gun ho. the presadent sed ignore the meges saying war and go with the one saying peace.

if bush was press we whood probly all be ded rite naw. bush whood have gon with thee war mesage. and lonched a nookler atack. and resha whood retaleate loching thare nookler misals. wiping out more that 3/2 of the earth.

Did I say War or did I say Cold War...? Thats right, cold war. I don't approve of armed conflicts. Unless necessary...

Now, if we did have to go to NK or send more troops to SK, we have more Lies.

Also the closest we ever came to nuclear war was in 1994, not the cold war. I could explain it but so few of you ever seem to remember what I say so i'll just keep it at that.

<MEGA SIGH>Even the coldest war can become hot; Just look at the Cuba Crisis.

You know theres something calles "substitute war" I hope this is the correct therm; This means to big states (USA vs. Soviet Union) give third parties weapons or help them in a war-> Vietnam(South got backup from US; the north got backup from the Ivan) Korea (53)-&> South(USA) North(Soviet Union and China)

Afghanistan(82) Taliban/Muhajedin(US weapons-&>Stinger missiles!!!!) vs. Soviet Union; You can continue with this list, but i think i made my point or?
 

yes the cobin misal criset was the only time we all most used nooks. the one and only that i am awher of.

i dont know wher the 1994 cam from but the cold ware had ended by than. please do can you fid a news clip about it. if you can i will be very serpised.

and can you exspane what you meen by sinding troops to sath korea is a lie PREATOR DEFIANT?

Aha 1994 Fascinating; The cold war ended 1990 <sarcasm>but, I'm just an "old ass european</sarcasm>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_war)

there is also a new google service available that searchs in scientific/graduation documents:

http://scholar.google.com/ (http://scholar.google.com/)
stil beta but beta  than nuthing, looks like i got hte EWM virus.

waw http://scholar.google.com/ (http://scholar.google.com/)
is realy realy cool thanks Smoerebroed.

glad to help  :lol:  

this is haribal about the ucrane its looking more and more like sival war.

No one knows about what happened on here sadly, I saw it on history channel one day. In 1994, Norway launched a rocket for a science experiment. Russian radar picked it up and thought it was a nuclear missile launched from the united states. The russians were 4 minutes away from launching their own missiles at the U.S. but at the last moment got confirmation that it wasen't ours. Now don't go making fools of yourself for not believing me, but just have faith...

...BOOYA, and cold wars are dangerous, I simply stated that for the most part, it's good for the economy of the 2 countries (or many) faceing off against each other militarily and technologically.

And I said Lies, that if we needed to send more troops to SK or attack NK, we have troops in reserve and seeing as how Iraq is cooling down, we could move troops from there and put Iraqi troops in our place.

i cant seem to find in news on it can you sint a link for me i wont to know more.

the cold ware mite have ginvin the aconamy a slite bost but evry one was living in feer of armigadin. i rather have a noraml econamy and feel safe than aslitly elavated econamy and feel deth.

ashaly i have a frind hows boy frind she a woman.. in sath korea sole. and she told me he and 3/4 of thare army are being bulled out of sath korea and being sint to iraq soon.
i rack is still a hell hole and going dawnd werds. thay just posponed the elctions be cuss thares not enuff scuraty.

They postponed the elections because the parties said they wanted more time to campaign.

I didn't hear about some 55,000 troops being moved out of Iraq, put a link on.

And then about armageddon, don't we live with that constantly anyway? An asteroid could kill us at any time, or a powerful earthquake could shake the face of the earth apart. You just never know, throw nuclear war off the list and your still just as endangered as bin laden.

washingtontimes.com trops pulled from sath korea moved to iraq and afganistand. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20031124-124422-7024r.htm)


if i sed armagend i sher i was refering to a hipthetical sichuation.

 

Uh you said 3/4s, that said 17,000 out of 37,000. Although I was told it was 77,000 troops, 17,000 is not 3/4s of 37,000 either.

And about armageddon, I was being hypothetical too.

PREATOR DEFIANT And about armageddon, I was being hypothetical too.

ok good lol

Honestly, I voted for Kerry in the recent election. I did so on the hope  that  a change of 'direction' that US is walking on would be better... -_-
President Bush is merely a tool in the elaborate 'games' the US and World is now unknowingly participating. Ask your selves this questions:  Who ultimately benefits from the chaos of the Middle East? Who has the most to gain in a  divided-polarised USA?
Why the mere mention of 'terrorist' is the blank check for a lot of freedom crushing bills and laws to pass?  Is the 'moral compass' of the ordinary citizen is so distorted that the Moral Right must see that the USA must be SAVED along with the rest of the world??
People, whats happening in the World right now is'nt rosy. Cant control the WHOLE game individualy. But INDIVIDUAL decisions should be made by INDIVIDUALS! Not follow blindly to the collective herds to the slaughter!

As someone said to me, "Read between the lines!" , I think its a good advise.






  :lol:  

as the crichin rite whood say "a-min"

Lol, first time I saw what angel put I didn't even reply, seems like everyone has lost perspective now adays.

or maby we fawnd some thing you have not yet. the hidan agendas be hide the bush goverment.

Or maybe your all just conspiricy theorist asses who really, REALLY don't have perspective like I just said. Only time will tell...

well we conspiricy theorist make up all most haff of america and most of the rest of the warld what duss that tell you?

ether we are rong and the prezz is do good job. or he is not.

the uracran had a uprising when thare elections wher fixs but when the us eleshons wher fixed pepal just exspted it? what duss that tell you about the mind set in america?

a good part of america is wiling to exsept less than uther conterys.

Firstly I said con theorists, not Democrats. The democrats have a respected party that has some good goals, the con theorists are asses without perspective.

None of our elections are fixed, theres the con theorist Lies going. Do you realise how hard it would be to fix an election even if you were president?

bush cheeted in the ferst eleshon by calling baits that wher good bad and thowing out palits that cood have ben used to defeet him. if thats not fixing an elashon i dont know what is.

and i am a A tipacl Democrat i just voce it more than moste do. all the uther Democrat that i know feel the same whay as i do. most sit back in discust at what is doing to this one grate cuntry. that is naw not tain serisly and evin thot of as the grate satin all acrose the midal east naw. it makes me mad when i see what bush duss/ gets a whay with. i will not be silant about it. things need to be said thare are being cept quite.

I know my post was sounding like a conspiracy theorist would say, but it ain't.
What I posted is really the long term perspective and inevitable outcome for those in power: POWER craves more POWER.   :cry:
For all the thousands of years MAN has tried to rule his fellow men, he finds the darndest things to keep that power: By LIES and TRUTHS. There is no real conspiracy, just the reality of KEEPING what keeps you powerful and gloriouse.
Ya can see it in workplaces, schools, the streets and anyplace where a heirarchy is in existance. Its STILL a mad rush for the drug POWER, that I dont see anything in our forseeable future we would stop craving for it!  :(
We dont need to be given dark cabals with secret agendas and covert plans for world domination...its human nature that we are fighting. At least someday we learn truly to tame it for everyones benefit... :D
 

Well I actually think Gore cheated in that election, suppose that sets the candidates even doesn't it?

well, and bush kept some black ppl away (if these roumors are right) and cheated in florida at the last one against gore and stuff like that.
a comedian over here said a nice one: "if florida wouldnt vote for bush, he´ll believe they got weapons of mass destruction, and he must send some troops over there" :lol:

Lol, black people dislike the republican party because for the most part it's a white party.  

nah, i think its cause of some rassistic-things... maybe its because they´re almost white. but i think its more complicated than that. cause of the history with a link to the kkk and all that stuff, and a pres who killed (maybe innocent?) ppl in texas as a govenour... so i think some ppl really got their reasons to "dislike" them :D

i mean.. common.. bush is an actor... and a lil comedian.. who throws out some sentences that keeps the attention of the world. its just regular or normal or however you wanna call it with everyone in public. some like him, some dont. some ppl lovin him, some hatin him..

but theres one thing i cant get in my head. there were ppl asked by the press, why they would vote for him, and they answered "i dunno, he´s funny.. i like him".. u know.. nothing bout politics, or that he would be a good president... and _that_ cant be really true man, but it is actually :lol:

Most of what you say is purely you opinion. He IS a good president, hes actually fighting terrorism, something Clinton didn't do to well at. He's against abortion which is something many people look for, especially when Kerry, a catholic, supported pro choice. I also like alot of his policies here at home.

And whats all this KKK talk about? The republicans and democrats both dismantled most of the KKK in the 50s and 60s.

you ashaly thing gore cheated. if you do you realy realy got to relook at the elation and lern what cheeting is.


well clintan met severle time over a yare with his tarisam adviser and red the reports that wher poot out. he evin shot a coows misal to try to kill osama benladin.


bush met with his tarisam adviser one time and igored the workings put out. be for 911. after 911 some how he be came grate in socraty.

he set up usales green post that cost thosinds of doler ech. and criped the aire line indistey. and nun of this realy will stop a tarist thay are why beond the old whay of thinking about tarisam that we think in.
tarits are very egicated pepal and can figer out haw to get a rawnd a metal post or 2.



and as for: PREATOR DEFIANT
And whats all this KKK talk about? The republicans and democrats both dismantled most of the KKK in the 50s and 60s.

i was on the buss in dc the only white giy on the buss. this was drising ragins funaral all the uther pepal on the buss ponted out all the pepal in line to see ragin wher wite. and thay sed bush ragin W dont suport black pepal as much as thay can. bush duss not meet with the black kockes much ether.
my boss is a black man and he hate bush with a vingens he duss not feel ether bush cares about him and pepal like him.

the realty is that the black aericans are a minroty and al good nuber of tham are pore. and still face racisam, one form it takes is in the aresa wher pore minortys live thare local gverments ingore tham thay will have bad rodes pore sanitashon, bad water, or non relaibal elctrisaty and not much is dun about it. i live in a area in washtingtion DC wher alot of pore black pepal live. the water sevise here is sh*t we just got awer 4th or 5th waring about haw the water is not safe to drink. this time its about batrea in the water last time it was led.

i dont think that bush suports or evin kares about the KKK. but bush as ser not ben good fore minoritys and pore pepal.

i herd on the news last nite 44,000,000 amricans dont evin have heth insherents.
in fact be cuss of this i herd ilegal docter have ben makeing fact clinects all over america that use uncleen hospital eqipment do sergary. and some times dont have the skills. pepal are forst to go the thes haribal hospitals be cuss pore pepal cant paiy for the medical care naw days.

i never said that clinton was good.. but well.. clinton just got fired for his regular human desires.... so i cant see any point here to discuss.
but bush... well.. he´s against abortion, against homosexual ppl and fighting his own lil war 'in the name of god'.. this baptist... he´s playin more golf than he cares bout politics.. makin jokes on ppl who say stuff against them, and sayin "fight the terrorism" everytime a camera get his attention.

i dunno.. explain it, how can i look at this man, serious? all i can see is a clown with a gun.. surely its 'just my opinion', but i cant see any facts that could change my mind bout that points.

KL0K
1. clinton  never got fired

2. i agree bush plays to meny games he shood looking at the sate of the goverment. fixs that and than take a brake. not vice versa

well his affairs with lewinsky.. i think it could be called that he got fired..  

Ok this is how it works, Bush has gone out and fought terrorism, Clinton didn't. A few cruise missiles didn't do it and Clinton gave up after that.

You wanna know why some african americans face racism? Because many crimes committed in this country are committed by african americans. It's a sad fact, and it's probably do to racism, an endless cycle. Many spanish americans support Bush this election, but african americans didn't for healthcare reasons. For the most part healthcare is out of political hands, it's in the hands of insurance agencies and doctors.

and how would you explain that to a man who get shot a few minutes earlier? or ill n sick ppl in the ghettos? who cares about things on the other ass of the world, if the things right in front of your own door are not cleaned up?... i hope you can understand what i mean.. cause im not hoppin from one point to the next.

the reson what he did not do more is be cuss the goverment was aginst him and looking for a whay to get him out no mater what. some pepal cant see past thare own frunt dore its sad but trow.



that is rong to say. i hope that was just a tipo and not the whay you feel PREATOR DEFIANT.

black pepal do not comit eny more than wite pepal do.

hie profile corpret scandals:
martha sowert.
enron.
parmilot.
warld com.
halibertin.
AOL.
FOX NEWS.
IBM.
ford.
DELL.
and miny more....

and we are still finding more and thare all whie.


and KL0K>

clintan NEVER GOT FIERD and its caled inpeched.
clitan did more for this contry in one month thany bush has dun in his hole ferst term.
and i still dont see what reavents what he did with an intern has to do with him being a good preasdent or not?

A 26 year old black man shot a white cop in the face in my town 2 days ago. I know EXACTLY what i'm talking about, if you look at the census and statistics it's all there. Racism causes the people being prosecuted to turn to violence because their forced to live in lower standards then other people.

And wtf you talkin about half of these arn't even scandels. Ford, Dell, IBM, AOL, parmilot, what did these companies do?

Lets look at Ford, the only thing I can think of is the recall on firestone tires some years ago.

well that a rong thing to say. you dont think white pepal shoot cops two?


comapny ceep it quite thats why you dont here about the thoends of pepal how are rowed be cuss of thare greed.

 AOL in the top 10 of fochin 500. - fixing the books and content low sut over cmpany practes
 DELL the bigest pc seller in the usa and posably the warld. in fochin 500. - fixing the books
 IBM huge coprations that make alot of parts for evry thing we use. in fochin 500.- fixing the books
 Ford in fochin 500 i think a huge car manufcher.- fixing the books anf the fier stone scandals



i did not evin think of fier stone thares a nuther big scandal. that ashaly killed pepal.


some of the names in scandal will suprise you. it shocked me.

ewm everyone's entitled to an opinion but you're dead flat wrong about crime. blacks are FAR over-represented on both violent crimes and petty crimes per capita. And it's not their skin color, but their economic conditions as I think Praetor pointed out. It is also my own personal opinion that the fact that a vast majority of African-Americans in the 18-25 group grew up with single mothers or absentee fathers, denying them a male role model, has lead to delinquent children. Check out the Department of Justice crime statistics XXXXXXXXX and please check things out before denying them simply because your world view doesn't like it.

screwed up the URL it's DOJ (http://www.usdoj.gov)

everyone is entitled to thare opinion in cloding me.

and the only difrant be tween a white person and a black person is thare skin color. thay both do the same amout of crime thay both are as smart.

and i find it sad for thos how do not see this.

yep, its just the social part that keeps the crime on that lvl.. caused by the difference between the poor and the rich ones.
but its no clue to get to that kind of view on the stats, cause the most ppl in the slums and that stuff are blacks an latinos... if it would be the oposite, that they were on the top an rich, these stats would show that all the whiteys would do that stuff.

maby how know haw it whood be.

but what realy bothers me is this staro tipe some pepal haw bout black pepal and uther minortys in the usa. it realy gets bothers me.

and i dont like the justifaction used:

You wanna know why some african americans face racism? Because many crimes committed in this country are committed by african americans. It's a sad fact, and it's probably do to racism, an endless cycle.

its not end less, and that cood be seen as a justifcation of racisom.

and when pepal say things like this:
 blacks are FAR over-represented on both violent crimes and petty crimes per capita.
and a black person reeds it and beleevs it he or she is more liky to comit a crime if he thinks he or she is destant to do so.

but the realy fact is thare is no difrants be ween eny race. we are all "="

Ah come now ewm. What thinking person would believe they are "destined" to commit a crime? That's the soft bigotry of reduced expectations speaking through you. We are all humans gifted with free will. If it has been our misfortune to grow up with no instruction in the proper values to live in a civilized society, that's one thing. But who would say "oh well, I guess I'll go murder someone because, hey, I was destined to by my circumstances of birth." That's ridiculous. After all we're just talking statistics here. Individuals are still responsible for their actions.

when a peron is told thay are some thing thay are not over and over afer a while thay begin to beleev it. and thay be gin to ackt out. and thats one reson why strotipe are bad.

a nuther is some one with less nolge about the subject reeds it and beelvs it. thare are tomy of those kinds out thare.

pepal are what thay are for difrant resons. we shood not staro tipe and say one person with this colerd skin duss this more. be cuss it can be to esaly miss under stood.


let me put it like this if i started say alot of the repulicans are uless with thare not.
That whood make you mad if you wher a repulican.

so if you black and you here some one say alot of the black pepal comit crimes.
haw do you think that whood make you feel.

Listen, everyone knows it''s true, lately I think it's been on a decline but black people do more crimes per capita then white people, it's fact.

http://www.americanoutlook.org/index.cfm?f..._detail&id=1115 (http://www.americanoutlook.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article_detail&id=1115)

Thats something I found...

U.S. PRISONS -- IN BLACK AND WHITE
Consider the racial nature of imprisonment in the U.S.. Using U.S. Census and other estimates derived from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, we have calculated imprisonment rates (we are now using only people in prison for these calculations) as of June,1994. These are shown in Table 2.

Table 2. Imprisonment Rates in the United States, 1994
Group                Rate         Compared to White Rate
Total             373            2.1
White People              176            1.0
Hispanic People              686            3.9
Black People             1489             8.5

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whay are thare so miny in jail i realy can not exept that its be cuss thay are more bad black pepal that white pepal. thare are alot less black pepal in the usa than whites but yet White People 176 is so small.

my gess is be cuss when the black / Hispanic People are cimited of a crime thay can get fansy loyers like white pepal can.
and than just go to jail. be cuss thare pore.


What do all of these findings suggest? For starters, we cannot conclude how many African Americans or black males are actually guilty of committing crimes. We can only obtain data on the number of black males who are arrested for and convicted of a crime. While arrest rates are highly subjective, one could argue that a conviction is a guilty sentence in the eyes of the law. Though that is true, given the racial undertones and biases still present in the American judicial system, it seems highly unjust to assume that black crime statistics are a valid indication of the state of the entire community of African American males.
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and wit all this it makes me more distrusting of bush. he raly meets with the black koces to dis sucss thes things and what can be dun about tham.
and his nuber on helping the pore are discrafull... he dus not help the pore at all ashaly he herts the pore in america. tering the discusing back to bush... geting back on topic

wow, america is racist.......
i say kill all racists

I'm bout done with the political talk, clearly there wouldn't be a victor anyways so I let it go.

I say we fry us up some bob and eat it.

notin says lovin like some lumpybob on a stick

ya we are racists well alot of us not all. i cant faly say i am not a rasist. i can tell be cuss my boss is black. and i work for him for free naw.
i live a a city with lots of black pepal and i feel cofterbull.
as for uther races and ethnisatys both my best frinds in college and hiscool wher musloms from sera and iron.
and the compnly i am starting up is giving japanees, and korea, interships in america.

so basted on that i think i am ok in thare area. but a lot are not.
just be for my boss left for japane he got a call from a giy saying get rid of all black pepal useing the "N" word and nook the ashtins and aribs and the rest of the mital east.

this is be cuss not a nuff is put in to egication geografy and i whood like to see more debate class in scools to help bring out what kids rely feel.

and a good what to star all this is get a press how kare about minoritys and duss alot more with egicathion.

agreed, we need a leader who respects minorities and other cultures....

Racism is sad but theres been less of it, especially in the last few decades.

yes thare has. but do to all this feer over tarisom we have has made pepal feel scard of muslom looking peplal. and has bilt staro tipes and and has eving sed some rashly chard things like: useing tthe term crosade wile tolking about the midal east. and if you wach the flach movie in my sig cald WHAT DID HE SAY? thaose are realy things he has sed. this is not what a pressadent shood be saying or thinking.

Always back to the same person huh ewm? The president? I'm sorry you have such a fixation on him, it's not like he invented racism, but according to you he must have. But I'm not gonna even try to debate anymore, it's just getting boring with you ewm.

the reson i tolk about him alot her is be cuss the tred is caled: Bush 2.

and no he did not invented racism. but he sher duss lital to stop it and evin helps it abit.

Ok, ewm, ok, like it's the presidents fault we have racism...it's not like it's been a part of society since the beggining of time or anything...