Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

Voyager never takes the time to explain why a highly classified ship just slips through the federation fingers and somehow isn't stopped until the romulans (all 3 of them oh no) are taken out of the picutre does anyone see something wrong with this senerio

the Tal'Shiar did it.
the Tal'Shiar does not need to explain it meathods to anyone.

lol

you never knew that a starfleet ship full of people and with all that tec can never stop one guy. its in a ton of episodes, why not make it three!  lol its horrid, though for a better answer, we do know that the Roms have spys in high places, remmber that TNG episode. It could be likely (i have never seen the episode mind you)  that the rom people we smuggled in and that the spy jsut gave them the codes.

did you reveal how the Tal'Shiar acomplished hijacking the prometheus?!?!?!?!?!?

Still a highy advanced ship and the Federation aren't going to watch it like a hawk or atleast leave some kind of defence system to make sure if the small crew was overrun there was a backup plan :hmmm: It just doent' feel right was she jacked on a shakedown cruise. Did the rommies take her right out of a starbase. It all seems to coincedental to me... That the romulans granted a great underground orginization with the tal shiar and all. But dont' count out starfleet security just yet they may not be the brighteset but, they are somewhat intellegent. Anyone else the least bit suprised the romulans stole the prometheus so easily and with no exploding consoles to kill them while they are being attacked by a Nebula

Fullphaser

but of course the ship was so advanced that its minimum crew requirements is 2 people

lol then of corse..maby the fed high command is a rechors oginisatoin and was trying to sell of the promitias....it was two computer programs that stoped it aye?

a ship is easy to steal,

get the command codes of the ship and the ship is yours.

i guess that is what the rommies did.

feds had a back up plan, the EMH  :lol:  

hmm, if the roms couldent take over the most advanced fed ship of its time. Id be realy amazed that the ferengi, could take over the enterprise D in TNG, mine you that it was the fed flagship, most advanced in the fleet, and had a crew of about 1000... Seem that a more or less skeleton crewed ship shouldent be that hard to take over, expecialy with the help of the Tal'Shiar...

 

Their is a ruel in the romulans that said never behave as your enmey expects  

maybe they took the prometheus out for a test run with minimal crew and got surprised by some cloaked romulan vessel. i don't know how to get a romulan vessel over the neutral zone cause of the sensor net the feds have installed there.

DOCa Cola

it is weird, seems that the feds are really weak with intel and the entire fleet could be taken over by the enemy, however no one has ever tried that

perhaps the writers had a writer block and had to write something,

anyway

does anyone know what season that episode is from? I am buying all seasons on dvd this month i bought season 3

Come on guys you have no imaginations. First we sent a fleet to a different sector of the Neutral Zone and commenced large, offensively oriented exercises to attract the Fed's attention. When they committed all their sensor capabilities to that sector, we overloaded their computer systems by spamming their email servers with "Free Romulan Pr0n! Hot girls with pointy ears!"

When that was accomplished a phase-cloaked Talon with 5 of the most feared Reikaransu commandos in the entire Star Empire, equipped with personal cloaks of course, closed with the Prometheus and boarded it, wiping out the small crew and losing only two of their own.

That's how it happened.

ah....i see now,

and i was thinking all the time it was luck

i wonder, does e-mail still exist in star trek

what about the internet?

Well they're always using those videophone things so I assume they at least have video voice mail. And I think voyager got tons of email when they had that temporary com link to the Alpha quadrant

oh, i forgot......they have subspace communication

How have the romulans ever gotten into federation space undetected, hmm...  They obviustly knew about the ship, and had a great deal of info on it for being so classified, makes you wonder how secure the codes are for that sensor net...

the tal'shiar is powerful

Considerign that even the Maquis could get past the sensor net I wouldn't put it past the tal shiar to find a way through, they have a much broader range of intel then the maquis, and all the maquis needed was essintially a lowly ensign, not to meniton the romulans have crossed the border many a time without the federation knowing with the help of just one individual. So I don' t think that the problem lies within the sensor net  

the problem lied woth the security on the prometheus.
using about 10-15 people to test an experimental warship. how stupid is that
if i were in command, i would have had it escorted by 2 soveriegns,2 defiants, and 1 akira. that would have stopped the romulan shuttle from even getting close to the prometheus

Oh it's extremely simple to take over a ship with a cloaking device. Send some warbirds with marines to it cloaked, beam them aboard, kill bridge and engineering crew and then suck out the air out of the rest of the ship.

Interestingly enough, has anyone else noticed that there's never any emergency life-support gear around on Starfleet ships? I mean it was a big project for the Enterprise E crew to get suited up to detach the deflector dish in First Contact. Modern naval vessels (especially submarines) have gas masks and oxygen respirators all over the place, hanging from the ceiling etc. Seems like a prudent thing to do in a spaceship too, especially if life support is under attack from a boarding team.

I was just using the air thing as an example. You could set up forcesfields at every possible point preventing people from getting life support gear. Theres alot of stuff that could have been done to kill off the crew.

Beam them all into space, or a SB of some sort. that would be the essest i think. to do any thing else you would ahve to get past all the secondary systems or have a ton of good codes.  

Sure thats fine too...

I bet it would be a lot harder for a small boarding team to be fancy with transporters, force fields, and everything else than to just shut off the air, gravity, lights, whatever. Think about it, is it harder to start and create things, or to turn stuff off? A prepared team with grav boots and full enviro-suits could even dispense with selectivity and shut down life support on the whole ship. This would certainly screw the average starfleet ship.

What I was originally saying is how easy it is to take over a ship with a cloaked ship, not to debate on which way is the best...

aye that you were sry, it is a good point, and a fully staffed ship can be taken over just as esly, TNG episode. lol cant remmber it...shoot there was onther one to..ok two, wow i could go on for ever. lol i think it would be save to say the smaller the bording party the eser to take over...hum can we say a bell curve in the works? lol i only i could do it. so dose this mean that the demise of the Federation could be from 11,000 people doing a combiantion of things? LOL (lets see who getts that).  

but in the episode, the crew was not beamed into space, they were killed by disruptor fire

Bob, we know...

k, i am just trying to be smart...

try all you like

How many times have we seen starships been boarded before, the entrpise was ambushed by a klingon bird of prey forget the class, manned by ferengie and where boarded. voyager has been boarded many times, and the defiant in one little sh*t was boarded by the jem hadar.  

the romulans probaly just captured it whal the fed were finishing it

it just concerns me that there were only about 5 romulans aboard the prometheus and second it doesn't seem they were disguised or something and if i remember correctly only the commander had a relation with the tal shiar they were infact members of the romulan military who have taken over the prometheus. initially they intended (or everybody else but the romulan commander intended) to bring the prometheus to the romulan military not the tal'shiar. so it sounds like they haven't been previously even got support by the tal'shiar what makes me more doubtful of how those few romulans could take over a experimental top secret (?) federation vessel

DOCa Cola

If i remember there were about 25 Romulans on Prometheus. 5 of them were on bridge..The whole stuff is very hmhhh strange and odd. But Romulans are quite capable  for anything. By the way, Romulan commander that was on Prometheus is my avatar picture :D  

ok, so then i was confused by paramount standard money saving protocol by only lettings 5 of 25 romulans make an appearance in the show

Well someone always needs to control the warp core in engineering hehe

maybe they were on one of the other 2 bridges :) the promi should have 3 bridges... maybe even 3 captains? that should get quite complicated during critical missions, exspecially if they are "cowboys in space"
well i don't like the prometheus after all :P

Come on Optec how can you not be a fan of multi-vector attack? :P But yeah the Galaxy has two bridges so I would assume the Prometheus has three. Don't need multiple captains of course, I'm sure the first officer, tactical, ops, all those guys are fully qualified to lead a seperate vehicle.    

The other 2 separated parts would take orders from the main bridge and the captain. So it does work out fairly effectively.

on prometheus even more than 1  ^_^  

Yeah having three stardrives just screams "prohibitively expensive" to me  :lol:  

i think the Prometheus is realy inposibal. as doca cola ponted out you whood need 3 briges posibaly 3 hi raking offiser and 2 worpe cores.

just seem unrealistic to me.

These are Tal Shiar agents who boarded the Prometheus.  They must have boarded it by using something similar to that of the Shrike class from Armada I and II.

I guess this just goes to show you that the federation should never try to hide or protect anything because it will go all wrong.. poor federation