Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

OK this is becouse some of us dont think so and some of us do! i jsut want to know what evrey one else thinks. My Proof that it dose folows.

Star Trek the Magazine (whyd it have to end  ) March 03 Volume 3 issue 11 pg 49-50. 2 pages croped a bit to look desent and not take up to much room, one is pg49 w/images and the other pg 50 the text on it, i also took the liberty to make it esser to read the text, if you whant i can post the uninhanced one.

note, for the sake of the site and my poor computer, i have jsut given links.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Pulaskee/pg49.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Pulaskee/pg49.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Pulaskee/pg50.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Pulaskee/pg50.jpg)



http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schemati...leet_ships2.htm (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schemati...leet_ships2.htm)


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2) Pre-production drawings of the Sovereign class show a saucer separation. In separated mode, the quantum torpedo tube/captain's yacht is connected to the engineering hull. This configuration is also reproduced in the parts of the AMT/Ertl model kit. It is unlikely, however, that the ship is actually separable.
 



Note the last sentence cant not be sadi to be cannon becouse it was not said by any one in the ST franchise, BUT also note that the model was made to look seperatible. that is cannon.




 

i think that was just them desigening them, i have a star trek mag with the borg queen like a robotic spider and a spacemarine from wh40k i know it does not saucer sep.

Tsk Tsk...

how do you know? so far no one has been able to show me. but i ahve that text and pic that say it dose.

some one go on extra and show him please? i'm at work so i really can't be bothered.

The drawings look genuine. I've seen some of the other drawings by John Eaves (who designed the ship) and it fits into the scheme. I think the Sovereign is build with seperation abilities, we just haven't seen it yet.

PS: There is even some info floating around, that one episode script of TOS (!) included at least mentioning a saucer seperation for the Constitution-class, however that was never included in the final episode.

i just looked though my collection and i do not have the sov yet, hopfuly soon, then we will see (note i will necropost when i get it)

colection of what?

i get a star trek dvd magazine only come out a few months ago (google st collectors edition) we are only on issue  14

well....i dont really know but I would guess that it does NOT have saucer seperation,

the proof?

in star trek first contact, the borg were taking over the ship, they started at engineering, if the sov could do a saucer speration, they SHOULD have done that since then the borg couldn't assimilate the rest of the ship, however they didn't so my guess would be that it can't do it.

however I wouldn't be surprised if it can

lol the soz could have a built in borg analitation kit on every deck granteed to wipe out the collective, but it would make one hell of a boring film, borg comes on the take one drone out killing the whole lot, again it would be boring the borg take over einginering so they just leave them behind.

It can't seperate the saucer look at this then you would agree.


(http://www.ussmiranda.com/images/ships/msdsovereign.jpg)

AT LAST!! some one shows something. gezzzz. lol ill have to save it and look, ill edit this later.

OK saved the file and looked at it. i can see were this may bring one to beleive that the ship cant seperate. BUT. note. there are two computercores, the turbo lifts run right under the brakeing point  and...well lol i cant see much more it all fuzzes out. this relay dosnt change my mind all that much lol but thanks Azmodan. i like you already.  

Something about that picture looks... cropped I could have sworn the image's in fc-nemisis depicted the soverign as somewhat longer. I looks somewhat "stubby" :ermm:  

It is from ussmiranda.com. that site is the one of the worst. dont know why people love it so.  

had never heard of it.

You have to take into account that the people making the MSDs are normally not the same that made the design of the ship. Thus there are sometimes problems with lining up the MSDs and the design itself. This goes for the Defiant and Equinox for example.

It's right, looking at the MSD, the Sovereign can't seperate. One thing is, there are no seperation lines in the MSD.

But more important: The saucer has no deuterium tanks. That means, it would not work seperated. No impulse drive, no energy at all. Taking the MSD, there is no way it can seperate.

But as I said, the MSDs are not always 100% correct. It's the same with my own ship, the 3d model was first, but I made the MSD much later and had to improvise a lot.

So still, Eaves made everything necessary to make the Sovereign seperable, but it was not included in the movies nor in the MSD. But there is still a possibility that it could be added somewhat later.

You see, the original Sovereign design was even different from the configuration it had in Nemesis (different bottom, many more weapons and so on).

Design: Seperable. Movies: Unknown, not yet shown.

Conclusion: We do not know for sure!

PS: Here is a more detailed scan of the MSD:

http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com...entecutaway.jpg (http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com/cutaways/orginalcut/orgentecutaway.jpg)

And proof Sovern cannot separate, thank you Azmodian. Nothin much to say except, why even try? To think or believe you are right does not make it so, and going up against a hardcore trekkie isn't a good idea. In closing, w00t.

i cringe win ever thay chage a ship be for its destrotion. like back with the clasic enterpises os cald refit. thay shood have just caled it the enterprise bata - A. and i dont think chaging the ship whood be a good idea.

It needed the refit, the origional was fairly ugly in my eyes.

i give up, i was wrong, the sovereign can not sepatate. i have been pursuing an unwinable cause.  :sweatdrop:  

good point, but have you taken a look on the galaxy ones to? :)
(http://www.ussmiranda.com/images/ships/msdgalaxy.jpg)
Source ussmiranda.com

or also
http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com...orgdcutaway.jpg (http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com/cutaways/orginalcut/orgdcutaway.jpg)

so we just don't know for sure...

DOCa Cola

Wtf, you can see the lines in the middle, unlike people think it dosen't separate straight off and you can see where it does.

Right, the Galaxy MSD has all the lines, including the shape of the battle bridge. The thick outer lines even have interruptions where it seperates.

I can see the seperate line on this pic..........

OK we KNOW that the Promethues class seperates. but take a look at the pic below. (and can any one find a bigger one?)

(http://www.ussmiranda.com/images/ships/msdprometheus.jpg)

This is from ussmiranda.com


as you can see it dosnt look like it should, two computer cores, one deflector aray, and other things.

Also a funny thing, there is a car in the galexy shuttel bay.

the galaxy pic - thos lines doesn't represent the docking clamps, but more the hull shape
the prometheus pic is a better example than the galaxy for that, so thx for the heads up :)
true, there is something that looks like a sport car in the galaxy shuttle bay :D but it's too big for a car so i think it's a strange shaped shuttle :)

DOCa Cola

I have attached a detail from the MSD with some numbers in it.

1 - seperation lines, outer hull is interrupted
2 - docking clamp
3 - battle bridge (!)
4 - continuing seperation lines

Definately, the MSD shows the galaxy as separable.

And by the way, the MSD has also an old airplane and a big rubber duck in it. :D

yes but note that image leaves lots of stuff out ship wise, what im trying to say is the sov might have the seperatoin line and the other stuff but becouse fo the other things we cant see them. also with my Promethues pic, it might not look seperatible but it is.

And concerning the prometheus, although the picture is not detailed enough, there are many hints on the separability that are missing on the Sovereign MSD:

1 - 3 bridge modules
2 - 3 different deuterium storages
3 - possible auxiliary deflector (?)
4 - saucer section warp nacelles
5 - redundant unknown objects ;)

how do you get such big pictures in your posts?
will someone teach me the art of posting on fleetops?

Save them as jpg-file. Setting different compression rates lets you control the size.

When the image is ready, add it to your post by using the file attachment option at the bottom of the "reply" form. Clicking on "Search..." lets you choose the file you want to attach.

That will do the trick.

If you're are talking about adding pictures directly withing the posts:

You need your own webspace for that.

After you have uploaded your picture to your webspace, you can display it by using the (-tags.[img ]http://yourwebspace/filename.jpg[/img ] (leaving out the spaces and adding the true adress)will give this:[img]http://home.germany.net/100-499937/maquis/linkbilder/dedication2.jpg)

There are no other ways.

Wow, can you people get it through your heads sov cannot separate?

LOL not till you say it can. lol

a couple words of wisdom:

most of the time,it takes more courage to admit defeat than to fight till you win

think about it

Listen to bob carpathia, he is wise, or at least knows sayings.

But when you know your right? then that is the time to fight. If i knew that i was wrong i would stop right now, but i know im right.  

ummm...........i would quit while your ahead. PREATOR DEFIANT, those words of wisdom were directed at you

ummm, bite me bob...He's not right and I don't recall ever backing down in the forums before. Sov can't separate plain and simple, don't try to intimidate me with your jibberish, i'm unintimidatable, except for clowns, they scare the hell outta me.







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i am scared of fish




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Stop Spamming You Idiot.

one day, i would like to say

"I got my ass kicked in so badly by PREATOR DEFIANT that my nose bled."